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"USS Pueblo (AGER-2" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect USS Pueblo (AGER-2 has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 9 § USS Pueblo (AGER-2 until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

class type?

It appears that Pueblo has been described as a Banner-class environmental research ship since this edit of 15 October 2006 by Editor Malo (no longer with us). It also appears that the US Navy agrees; see Pueblo's entry at the Naval Vessel Register.

On the same day, Editor Malo created the redirect environmental research ship which points to Technical research ship.

At this edit, Editor Andy Dingley changed the lead sentence to describe Pueblo as a Banner-class technical research ship. This, to me, seems wrong.

If anything should be changed, it should be the redirect. I think we should repoint the redirect so that it links to Technical research ship#Environmental research ship (AGER). Once that is done, Editor Andy Dingley's edit at Pueblo should be reverted.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:06, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is a Russian spy trawler a trawler? Or a spy ship?

The Banner class were classified as 'environmental research ships'. Yet they could be more descriptively seen as 'technical research ships' built on much smaller hulls. The name 'environmental research ship' is misleading (deliberately so) and it even redirects to 'technical research ship'. As such, I see that the link in the lede here is better going to the page on US spy ships, which describes their purpose and function, rather than to the narrower (albeit correct, I agree) target that only describes them as small variants within that broader class. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If, (just going by the OP here) the classification as "environmental research ship" (ERS) is supported by a source, the US Navy, and the classification of "technical research ship" (TRS) is supported by a seemingly random redirect, and subsequently by some original research, then we should be using the former (ERS) as opposed to the latter (TRS). jmho - \\'cԼF 11:53, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously RS should trump what does appear to be OR. Intothat darkness 12:34, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Soviet tubs waiting for us when we left and then returned to Holy Lock, were definitely trawling for submarines and we described them as such. Yeah, I known, anecdotes don't count.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The actual article title for the Banner class is Banner-class environmental research ship. Why use a piped links? Cinderella157 (talk) 04:20, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By the indent level of your post I presume that you are replying to my OP. You ask: Why use a piped links? I'm pretty sure that I said nothing about piped links. Can you clarify?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:21, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was a general question in response to the OP. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:49, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I moved your post because I presume that you meant to place it here.

So the question to my OP is Why use a piped links? While I didn't actually say anything about piped links, the article as it currently stands (permalink) does use a piped link in the lead sentence:

[[Banner-class environmental research ship|''Banner''-class]] [[technical research ship]]

Were I to rewrite that, I might write:

[[Banner-class environmental research ship|''Banner''-class]] [[Technical_research_ship#Environmental_research_ship_(AGER)|environmental research ship]]

Banner-class environmental research ship

Or, we could repoint the environmental research ship redirect so that points to the ERS subtopic/section of the TRS article (as permitted by WP:RPURPOSE). Then it is a simple matter of restoring:

{{sclass|Banner|environmental research ship}}

By doing this, readers who click the 'environmental research ship' land at the appropriate subtopic/section of the larger 'technical research ship' article. That they have landed at an obviously related section of a larger article avoids any astonishment, and it is obvious to the reader that the subtopic/section is a subtopic. Also by doing this, the visible ship-type link in Pueblo would match the Banner-class article title thereby avoiding other astonishment.

So, no reason to use piped links. We should restore the {{sclass}} version of the article and repoint the ERS redirect.

Did I answer your question?

The corollary of my question is, why not use the link without piping? If one wants to explain AGER, then one can link that separately. Cinderella157 (talk) 20:42, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:31, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]